Hi. I'm looking for a list of Corel PHOTO-PAINT features as they were released by version and year. I'm also going to try to get a Photoshop list of the same thing to compare the two and prove that Photoshop isn't really as innovative as many Photoshop enthusiasts believe.
Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either or both of these lists?
I've used the CorelDRAW Graphics Suite since version 3 and I can't possibly remember which features it had back then vs. what it has now.
I think you will be disappointed with the results of your study. Photo-paint has lagged, particularly in recent years increasingly behind Photoshop. Keep in mind that, in recent memory, all the emphasis has gone into improving Draw with each new release. The feature set in PhotoPaint has not increased at the same pace. In fact, most of the features added have been 'neophyte' features like Image Adjustment Lab and Image Straighten Lab-hardly killer must-have upgrades for the advanced user.
Photoshop on the other hand is the Flagship at Adobe. Illustrator takes the back seat over there. All of the development thrust is into the marquee product. As a user of both PhotoPaint and Photoshop, I would confirm what your Photoshop enthusiasts believe. Ten years ago, maybe, but over the last three or four versions, PhotoPaint has been left in the dust.
I, for one, would like to see that change.
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(You can reach the edge of the image in Photoshop!)
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What do you mean you can reach the edge of the image in Photoshop?
That's funny you say that because I was just using Photoshop now, getting frustrated because I couldn't reach the edge of the image. I don't want to get into the details here, but it was causing issues in Maya.
You can navigate the image and put the left edge at the middle of your screen, for example, so you can freely edit the edge. (navigation feature)
Oh! You mean when you have a large document that's larger than your active screen size or when you zoom into an image! I totally see what you mean now!
Now that you mention it, I think I might have had frustrations about this in the past, but navigation-wise, the thing that really bothers me is like when you have the crop tool or the mask marquee tool selected and you click+drag within the document to make a selection, right? But when you hit the edge of the document it scrolls REALLY REALLY FAST! Which always goes way farther than I wanted to go. I find myself going back and forth, trying over and over, but always overshooting it.
My only solution is to zoom out and try it that way, but that defeats the whole purpose of why I'm cropping or masking it in the first place. It's the small details at zoom level that define where I want my document bounds to be.
I'm glad people on these forums have similar frustrations as I do because on the Adobe forums everybody tries to bite my head off when I point out Photoshop's faults. The biggest fault I see with Photoshop is that it takes way too many steps to achieve simple goals! Photoshop users don't understand this because they're used to doing it the hard way, but when you use such an intuitive tool as PHOTO-PAINT you take things for granted.
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I agree with you, PP is far more efficient, esp if one learns hotkeys. I rarely open a menu anymore...
In CNEWS groups, someone issued a interesting challenge to remove a blue cast, here is what i did:
Jed Hunsaker:The biggest fault I see with Photoshop is that it takes way too many steps to achieve simple goals! Photoshop users don't understand this because they're used to doing it the hard way, but when you use such an intuitive tool as PHOTO-PAINT you take things for granted.
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Good job on the blue cast. I actually can't think of a way to fix that type of issue, myself.
open a RGB dark image.
localize an area that you know it is white, and click with the eyedropper tool.
create a new object and fill it with the color you picked with the eyedropper.
change its merge mode to Divide, and move the transparency slide until the area read around 4,2,2,0
try to do this using Photoshop.
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Jed Hunsaker: What do you mean you can reach the edge of the image in Photoshop? That's funny you say that because I was just using Photoshop now, getting frustrated because I couldn't reach the edge of the image. I don't want to get into the details here, but it was causing issues in Maya.
Press the F key a couple times to get different viewing of the document. One will allow you to simply pan the entire document anywhere. So you can put the very edge of the document right in the middle of the screen. This is the viewing preference I work in most of the time. This is not possible in Paint and makes paint impossible for me to work in because you can't reach the edge of the document. Such a small thing but so meaningful to me. Photoshop is simply packed with small features like this that make the workflow incredibly good. If ever there was a push to develop a product that would try to compete with Photoshop, then I think Paint would be a good starting point. But currently, I would say that during the 6 plus years that Paint and Draw have been stagnating, Photoshop and Illustrator have blasted forward. To not realize that is simply to not know these applications. Much of the power is not an icon on a toolbar so you really have to get some experience or training to really know either of those two applications.
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KuttyJoe:Press the F key a couple times to get different viewing of the document.
Aha! That's pretty awesome! I know it's hard to explain things to people when they aren't used to using that tool every day. You should see me on the Adobe forums! Those fools have no idea why I think File >> New From Clipboard is such a time saver! Nor do they have any idea why copying, cutting, pasting and deleting layers would be of any benefit. In fact, they see it as detrimental to the application for some reason.
And the Interactive Object Transparency Tool? NOBODY has an effing CLUE how useful this tool can be! I use it ALL THE TIME! But try to tell that to a Photoshop enthusiast and they just can't see the light.
As you say, "Such a small thing but so meaningful to me." I totally agree and support this feature request! Small feature requests do two things:
KuttyJoe:Photoshop is simply packed with small features like this that make the workflow incredibly good.
I had a totally opposite response to Photoshop, but maybe I'm biased because I was "born and raised" on Corel PHOTO-PAINT, figuratively speaking.
KuttyJoe:If ever there was a push to develop a product that would try to compete with Photoshop, then I think Paint would be a good starting point.
I totally agree and I sorrow at the sad realization of this fact. In my opinion, Corel PHOTO-PAINT used to be the top dog, even though it wasn't the industry standard. I think, back then, if people realized how powerful it was, maybe Corel would have the interest and funding to have made it the Photoshop of today.
If any such push for a competitor to Photoshop was in the works, I would definitely want to be one of the programmers on the team. Anyone from Corel listening? Canada awaits me!
KuttyJoe:I would say that during the 6 plus years that Paint and Draw have been stagnating, Photoshop and Illustrator have blasted forward. To not realize that is simply to not know these applications. Much of the power is not an icon on a toolbar so you really have to get some experience or training to really know either of those two applications.
I've only really recently begun to seriously familiarize myself with Photoshop and not by choice. As a whole, I can see why everyone uses it over PHOTO-PAINT, but piece by piece? I don't think PP should be ignored and I don't think PP is so far behind that it can't possibly compete with PS in the future. I just know that Corel's overall attitude towards the graphics suite is that their efforts are better spent with Draw than PHOTO-PAINT. I can see why they feel this way, but it just makes me sad that more time and development isn't spent on PHOTO-PAINT, because it is truly an amazing piece of software.
Jed Hunsaker: Oh! You mean when you have a large document that's larger than your active screen size or when you zoom into an image! I totally see what you mean now! Now that you mention it, I think I might have had frustrations about this in the past, but navigation-wise, the thing that really bothers me is like when you have the crop tool or the mask marquee tool selected and you click+drag within the document to make a selection, right? But when you hit the edge of the document it scrolls REALLY REALLY FAST! Which always goes way farther than I wanted to go. I find myself going back and forth, trying over and over, but always overshooting it.
That's true. It seems to be a problem with Windows versions of Photoshop. With the Mac versions, it moves more slowly and more controlled. It's always been this way as far back as I can remember. There are little differences between the Mac and PC versions of Photoshop and Illustrator. The Windows version always are able to scroll, pan, and zoom much faster than the Mac versions and this may be related to what you mentioned. It also happens when using the lasso tool and other tools when they reach the edge. But with experience you can avoid such problems. For example, while using the lasso tool, or other tools, you can actually zoom or pan, while in the middle of using the lasso tool, without losing your position. So you could get away from an edge without breaking stride or losing your place of what ever you were doing. As I said before, Photoshop is bursting at the seams with little features like this that don't even make it on official feature lists. It's these little things that I enjoy the most, but sometimes finding them is like hunting Easter eggs.
Jed Hunsaker:My only solution is to zoom out and try it that way, but that defeats the whole purpose of why I'm cropping or masking it in the first place. It's the small details at zoom level that define where I want my document bounds to be.
Exactly. What I explained above completely solves this problem. You can have it both ways. You can pan the document, or zoom the document while making a selection.
Jed Hunsaker:I'm glad people on these forums have similar frustrations as I do because on the Adobe forums everybody tries to bite my head off when I point out Photoshop's faults.
The problem there is similar to the problem here. Many people are only interested in defending the application they've chosen so you don't get straight answers. The more you point out reality, the angrier they get. I've been predictably welcomed off this forum a number of times by Corel fans who do not wish to know reality. But if you're more interested in getting work done than simply supporting one company over another, then you may be more open to reality. I just use the tool that gets the job done and I would love for that tool to be Photopaint since it's cheaper. However, that is about as far from reality as is possible. Same with Draw. I don't use Paint because the threat of crashes and loss of work are too great, but I still use Corel Draw (started at version 4) to do a very few, very specific things. The idea is to get in and get out as quickly as possible, but even opening and closing Corel Draw ends in a crash after the program has closed.
Like what in particular? I have to say that generally the reason for this seems to be that people just don't know enough about Photoshop or Illustrator. Hopefully that doesn't sound like I'm biting your head off, but I'm really more interested in reality. I'm not an Adobe or Corel fanboy, but I will point out my own experiences with both.
KuttyJoe: Jed Hunsaker:The biggest fault I see with Photoshop is that it takes way too many steps to achieve simple goals! Photoshop users don't understand this because they're used to doing it the hard way, but when you use such an intuitive tool as PHOTO-PAINT you take things for granted. Like what in particular? I have to say that generally the reason for this seems to be that people just don't know enough about Photoshop or Illustrator. Hopefully that doesn't sound like I'm biting your head off, but I'm really more interested in reality. I'm not an Adobe or Corel fanboy, but I will point out my own experiences with both.
Refer to my post here to see a list of features between Corel PHOTO-PAINT and Adobe Photoshop that have frustrated me numerous times. It swings both ways, but more favorable towards Corel PHOTO-PAINT for my personal experience.
KuttyJoe:Like what in particular? I have to say that generally the reason for this seems to be that people just don't know enough about Photoshop or Illustrator.
Hi K,
Here are some from me:
as for PS:
KuttyJoe:The more you point out reality, the angrier they get.
KuttyJoe:... who do not wish to know reality.
KuttyJoe:... then you may be more open to reality.
KuttyJoe:I'm really more interested in reality.
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