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DIGITALGRAPHIX posted on Tue, Apr 24 2012 22:59

Hi!~

Adobe is coming up with new service call Adobe Creative Cloud whereby you can pay to use the software whenever you need to use the software. Monthly subscription required-around US$ 50 per month. My main question to the users of Corel and all die hard fans of Corel is how this will effect the users and artists of Corel world? Will new artist jump to use Adobe instead of Corel? What are the strength and weakness of cloud service? And strategically lets guess what would be Corel next move? I think this would be fun. What say ye?

MANOJ WWW.DIGITALGRAPHIXFACTORY.COM

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Zip it!

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Terremoto:
It's just another rehash of the Ford Chevy thing.

I vote Chevy.

Terremoto:
Adobe has neglected Illustrator in much the same way as you say Corel has neglected PhotoPaint.

Neglected? Bitstream font navigator... While I understand some of the complaints against PP, it is a lot more powerful than most people give it credit for.

Terremoto:
I doubt that Illustrator will ever be the equal of CorelDraw if in fact it ever was

Both are tools, but I hate getting hated on for using Corel instead of Illustrator. A lot of Illustrator users are cool and care more about work produced, not tools used, but the few that do are [insert your favorite insult here].

I've actually had a job pulled from my shop because we don't use Illustrator. File specs said PDF would be provided as final file so I couldn't ever figure out what the problem was.

Mike

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I've been struggling with this since I first heard about the Creative Cloud. I started my career using Adobe and Macromedia products, and that's what the agencies and design studios used where I worked (I actually favored Freehand over Illustrator for a long time -- that's part of why I like CorelDraw so much). Oh, and QuarkXPress too, but anyway... When CorelDraw 11 came out for Mac, I jumped in and bought a copy for use at home on my iMac.

Later on when I started freelancing in 2005, I dropped a lot of cash to get Adobe CS Design Premium, plus the Macromedia Studio with Dreamweaver, Flash, Freehand, and Fireworks. At that time I was doing a lot of print design as well as website work, so I got a good bit of use out of the software included in those bundles. I never came back to CorelDraw until X3 because I was working on a Mac...

Fast-forward a few years and now I strictly do website design and development. I work entirely on a ThinkPad W510 running Windows 7 and the software I most frequently use consists of the CorelDraw suite, PhotoLine, Sublime Text, and Filezilla. I have not used Adobe products in two or three years now and I've managed just fine.

Sure, I left Adobe and switched back to Corel in large part due to money -- Adobe was and is very expensive by comparison. But CorelDraw feels like more of a value for my business, and that's where I'm really torn. CorelDraw is like a Swiss Army knife: I can design for web or print; I can open Illustrator files; I can design logos if necessary; or I can create my own promotional materials. Instead of using a little bit of several software packages -- I'm using all (or at least most) of CorelDraw.

So, that's it for me -- I suppose a lot of my conflict comes down to value. Even though it's much more accessible, will $50 per month and access to nearly all of Adobe's software offerings add a lot of value to my business? I'm really not sure. Fireworks is about the only thing I'd like to get my hands on, and sure I'd probably use Photoshop for a few things. But I'm afraid nearly everything else would simply go unused...

Addison Hall Design addisonhalldesign.com

I think this will definitely end up being a success for Adobe. I'm sure many pc users who are on the fence about buying a Mac for graphics but can't because of Adobe pricing will be more inclined to make that leap now. The price is just too good. Not that it is better software but because Adobe products are the industry standard. I just don't understand why Corel will never make another swing into making a Mac version. If they did my company would probably throw out their pc's tomorow and purchase Corel for all the machines. 

I work in the sign business so I must be crazy.
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ruckstande:
I think this will definitely end up being a success for Adobe.

Hi.

Even if not, at least they will know how well it works. Only one way to find out right?  It might even lead them in unexpected other new directions.

If it is successful I bet there will be many copycats.

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Hywel

Why do you think so? They've kept their old licencing model in place as well, offering this only as an alternative. Price is sweet, if they are smart they will introduce even cheaper fees for smaller CS packages (since 49.99 now buys you Master Collection which is $2500 as one-off).

I honestly believe Corel should consider this model, and consider it seriously.

You also don't look at it from a starting small business perspective. This is perfect in such case since you can replace large up-front cost with a reasonable monthly fee and if your business is slow or you're not viable, it would take you, what, four years to be down the $2500 you'd have to churn out up front with the standard licencing model.

I can't see any value in intagible CAPEx -- software licence is an asset that's a *** to resell, and in many cases (not sure where Adobe is on that) you're not even allowed to.

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bob replied on Mon, May 21 2012 18:00

Addison:
CorelDraw is like a Swiss Army knife: I can design for web or print; I can open Illustrator files; I can design logos if necessary; or I can create my own promotional materials. Instead of using a little bit of several software packages -- I'm using all (or at least most) of CorelDraw.

Same here been using Draw for many years for creating web assets and story boards. Also have the Adobe stuff here, need both. Draw is way better than AI for graphic design. I also use Photoshop daily. To me  Draw and Photoshop is the ideal combo for creation.

I would NEVER use on on line service such as what Adobe is offering. Quit the program and you loose your tools and work. You would be dependent on them like a drug addict  and you really gave up control. If 50.00 a month makes the offer appealing you are not thinking right business wise.

Addison:
I suppose a lot of my conflict comes down to value.

The most valuable thing is your creative talent and not the tools. Should be no conflict. Buy what you need to be your best and never share your work product'/techniques with an on line company.

My 2 cents,.

Bob Friedman Pennsylvanina, USA www.pamspress.com

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bmarkovic:

They've kept their old licencing model in place as well, offering this only as an alternative. Price is sweet, if they are smart they will introduce even cheaper fees for smaller CS packages (since 49.99 now buys you Master Collection which is $2500 as one-off).

I honestly believe Corel should consider this model, and consider it seriously.

Why?

None of the components of CorelDraw Graphics Suite are available as stand alone products.

For  less than what PS(full version) costs you can get the whole CorelDraw package.

Outright purchase price is very reasonable, when compared to Adobe.

 

bmarkovic:
This is perfect in such case since you can replace large up-front cost with a reasonable monthly fee and if your business is slow or you're not viable, it would take you, what, four years to be down the $2500 you'd have to churn out up front with the standard licencing model.

If you are not viable or business is slow, then $50/mth (on contract) may be hard to justify as well.

Month to month is around $75/mth so less attractive.

 

ruckstande:
Not that it is better software but because Adobe products are the industry standard.

Makes as much sense as trying to claim only BMW's (for example) are industry standard motor vehicles Indifferent

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For the first time in my nearly 2 decades with Adobe products, I can't believe how buggy both Photoshop and Illustrator CS6 are.  Typically, I can't find a single glitch or bug in either program.  Now, I'm just stumbling all over bugs and glitches while trying to get work done.  And worse, Photoshop is actually crashing.  There's a bug where after using layer effects for a while, it suddenly launches the browser/help document, but it launches like 50 tabs in the browser, all trying to launch the help file.  Then Photoshop crashes.  There are also lots and lots of change for the sake of change.  And things that probably play better for amateurs than pros.  I find that I also can't print from Photoshop CS6 to a size 13 x 18.5.  It just prints half way off the page every single time.  I have to import Photoshop content in Illustrator where it prints fine.  To make matters worse, I'm also wrestling with the nearly absolute nonsense which is OS X Lion.  For all my career, I could never decide to go with Windows or Macs and quit worrying about the other.  Well now I think at least I've chosen which one I at least like better.  Windows.  I'm spending so much time with OS X trying to disable ridiculous animations, trying to reverse the scroll wheel back to normal, trying to reclaim key commands that are normally used for my programs, not the OS, dealing with missing features and small changes that annoy the crap out of a power user.  And to top it all off, all of the above are considerably slower while bragging about all kinds of gains in speed.  Adobe even has a cool sounding name their new speed engine.  But there's no speed.  There's palettes that when you expand them, they slowly follow the cursor rather than stick to it.  I'm so pissed by this.  Please won't somebody make a program to compete with Photoshop so I can get off this path.

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bob:
If 50.00 a month makes the offer appealing you are not thinking right business-wise.

I agree with Bob... the CorelDRAW suite is so affordable relative to Adobe stuff that a "never-ending payment plan" isn't necessary.

For me, it's also a question of value. The Corel Suite is a better value, no doubt about it.

If someone can only afford 50.00 a month to get going, put it on your credit card or Line of Credit account. Howvever, if an individual's circumstances warrant this payment schedule , they have bigger issues to deal with... like food and shelter. ;-)

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Fully agree. I would prefer to go with CDGS where ever and when ever possible.

Jeff Harrison:
For me, it's also a question of value. The Corel Suite is a better value, no doubt about it.

I would have agreed to this until X3. Though there are few layout features and OTF/Unicode support is added to the newer versions, the layer management is hectic since it has changed in X4. I would atleast think of going for a $50 rental if I get a suitable job assignment. Of course I do not get such assignments so frequently so that I can invest in the s/w and go on paying for upgrading. Yes I am doing that with DRAW as most of my work is suitable for DRAW. Going for a rental surely would depend on my requirements, time frames for the job and few more things. But I will give a thought over it in case I have the assignment in hand.

Jeff Harrison:
I agree with Bob... the CorelDRAW suite is so affordable relative to Adobe stuff that a "never-ending payment plan" isn't necessary.

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