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Jeff Harrison:

If you print a Pantone Matching System palette on CMYK gear, the output results won't be of much use IMO. This is because there are perhaps 25-30% of the colors in the that palette that are outside the CMYK gamut. sure it will print, but the color you see on the final press sheet may be totally out to lunch. That's why I took the plunge to buy a PMS guide. It kinda sucks since they are so expensive... but there's really no way around it. PMS inks are very specific, and have nothing to do with CMYK.

 

 Which is precisely the reason we printed one; to educate our customers (and new employees) on the limits of Pantone PMS within a CMYK environment -- even with a digital screen press with extended inks (light cyan and light magenta in addition to CMYK). The thing has been worth its weight in gold just in heading off problems before they develop. It sits on the wall right next to the Pantone Process Color Chart.

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Pune, India
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Now even after the SP1 release still with you David

David Milisock:
Ok I'm going to be the party pooper here.

Things like Print Merge, Live text editing display errors, errors in imposition of  pages with tables etc. should have been fixed

David Milisock:
I wish that they hadn't touched a thing in the interface but instead spendt the time and therefore money of fixing broken things.  There are plenty that could use fixing?

Any ways its better.

David Milisock:
Pretty is nice but it needs to be secondary to function and feature.

Anand Dixit

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Hi OB,

In my case, If a customer reaaaalllly wants PMS colors then they better be ready to pay for it.

It's a strong reason why a designer should work within the CMYK Gamut in the first place when creating color logos.

I once consulted to one shop who spent hours and hours trying to get a Pantone Day-glo orange out for their canon color laser. They called me in to see if it was possible. They had to slink back to the customer and tell them their job was about to increase in price and incur extra delays if they insisted on having that hue - which they did, since it was a primary part of their long-standing brand.

OldBob:
 Which is precisely the reason we printed one; to educate our customers (and new employees) on the limits of Pantone PMS within a CMYK environment -- even with a digital screen press with extended inks (light cyan and light magenta in addition to CMYK). The thing has been worth its weight in gold just in heading off problems before they develop. It sits on the wall right next to the Pantone Process Color Chart.

 

Hi,

I would be grateful if could advise how to download corel draw X3 or X4 my Mac Apple.

Thanks for kind cooperation.

Guito

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Stockholm, SWEDEN (Europe) Illustrator & Artist
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Jeff Harrison:

In my case, If a customer reaaaalllly wants PMS colors then they better be ready to pay for it.

It's a strong reason why a designer should work within the CMYK Gamut in the first place when creating color logos

No critque, just saying that if you worked in Sweden, that scandinavian country in northern Europe, where I live, I would say PMS colours rule the logotype world. The Pantone PMS colours are THE thing on logos. Corporate or not. Its PMS,

In Germany, a bit south of Sweden, they may use HKS colours instead.

Stefan Lindblad Artist & illustrator Website: www.stefanlindblad.com Blog: stefanlindblad-english.blogpsot.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dont forget pen & paper, they are the key to great digital art.

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Guito Lepoigneur:

Hi,

I would be grateful if could advise how to download corel draw X3 or X4 my Mac Apple.

Thanks for kind cooperation.

Guito

Guito,

If you dont own a X3 or X4 license, then you should buy the latest version X5 http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Product/1191272117978#tabview=tab0

And to use CorelDRAW X5 or older versions, you should have a Mac with Intel processor and install Windows 7 or XP onto your Mac computer. There are no CorelDARW & Photo-Paint for MAC per say, but with Windows installed on your Mac it will work fine.

 

Stefan Lindblad Artist & illustrator Website: www.stefanlindblad.com Blog: stefanlindblad-english.blogpsot.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dont forget pen & paper, they are the key to great digital art.

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Hi S,
 
IMO the problem is not the idea of PMS itself. It's just that certain hues are no economical or even repeatable in typical reproduction later.
 
Economical issues: if there is no feasible CMYK equivalent to the master PMS hue, then the company is cornered and has to pay enormously every time to recreate their own logo.
 
Repeatable: again, if no plausible CMYK equivalent, then in a magazine ad, large format output etc, the hue may not have a desireable consistency or representation when output in CMYK.
 
Some devices come Pantone Approved these days. I'm highly confident they mean Process Color Approved. Pantone Matching System? Totally different thing...
 
One print shop called me in as a consultant once. They had spent at least half a day trying to get a flourescent orange PMS hue out of their digital color copier. LOL
 
<Stefan Lindblad> wrote in message news:81529@coreldraw.com...

No critique, just saying that if you worked in Sweden, that scandinavian country in northern Europe, where I live, I would say PMS colours rule the logotype world. The Pantone PMS colours are THE thing on logos. Corporate or not. Its PMS. in Germany, a bit isouth of Sweden, they may use HKS colours instead

Top 25 Contributor
Stockholm, SWEDEN (Europe) Illustrator & Artist
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Jeff Harrison:

One print shop called me in as a consultant once. They had spent at least half a day trying to get a flourescent orange PMS hue out of their digital color copier. LOL
 

Haha, well work has to give some jokes also :-)

The PMS Pantone is used mostly (99% ? ) for Logypes over here. The CMYK values also found from PANTONE is used as a reference more in line of what you mention.

 

Stefan Lindblad Artist & illustrator Website: www.stefanlindblad.com Blog: stefanlindblad-english.blogpsot.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dont forget pen & paper, they are the key to great digital art.

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The funny part to me: any company can say "our logo is PMS 514."
 
More and more print shops don't care FME. 90% of the time they're not going to special order or mix PMS 514 ink for the job. They'll simply print it as the closest CMYK equivalent using a digital device or their CMYK press. The customer might not even know the difference.
 
I always advise the customer of the situation, and ask if they really need the actual Pantone ink custom ordered. Most of the time they have no idea that many PMS colors - possibly theirs - exceed the gamut of CMYK. Initially they all often think "colors are colors".
 
After a customer compares the quote for real Pantone ink compared to in-house CMYK workflow, then their artistic integrity usually goes out the window and they choose CMYK.
 
IMO, running an offset printing press, and using and mixing spot inks is becoming a dying art - fast.
 
Spot ink work is very beautiful and professional. The problem is less and less want to pay for it - relative to the price of standardized CMYK.
 
When getting in to runs over 50k or 100k then spots still have some hope for printing & product packaging etc.
 
Curious, maybe David has some insight into this dramatic movement over the last 10 years:
  1. cmyk only
  2. digital output only
He has many years of print shop experience and I'd like his input on how spot colors are used today in offset.
 
<Stefan Lindblad> wrote in message news:81614@coreldraw.com...

The PMS Pantone is used mostly (99% ? ) for Logypes over here. The CMYK values also found from PANTONE is used as a reference more in line of what you mention.

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Vancouver
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Jeff Harrison:
One print shop called me in as a consultant once. They had spent at least half a day trying to get a flourescent orange PMS hue out of their digital color copier. LOL

this is going to be an impossible task for wide format inkjet also. mind you Roland now has a metallic silver ink which makes metallic type spot colors a new possibility in printed signage.

 

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Ghiangelo:
Roland now has a metallic silver ink which makes metallic type spot colors a new possibility in printed signage.

 

...yea. Roland is a little slow, but better late than never.

-John

"The best thing about learning is that it never stops, and the rabbit hole will go as deep as you let it."
~John
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Chardon, OH
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Adobe has one product that is sometimes worth using, and that's Photoshop. As for Illustrator, I removed it from my computer. Why? Because anything I can do in six steps in Illustrator I can do in four steps with CorelDRAW and I just plain do not like AI's format.

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Lancaster, PA USA
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I hear you brother.  I rarely use PS anymore either.

David Milisock

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