Adobe is coming up with new service call Adobe Creative Cloud whereby you can pay to use the software whenever you need to use the software. Monthly subscription required-around US$ 50 per month. My main question to the users of Corel and all die hard fans of Corel is how this will effect the users and artists of Corel world? Will new artist jump to use Adobe instead of Corel? What are the strength and weakness of cloud service? And strategically lets guess what would be Corel next move? I think this would be fun. What say ye?
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Are you opening a BIG can of worms?
At this point of time, the SaaS is untried, though experimented with, mode of marketing, so, who knows. About all you will get, until this marketing mode matures/ages, are emotional opinions. And this mode will change as Adobe (and others) gain experience with the offerings.
There are, both, advantages and dis-advantages. Some of these are:
Lower initial layout of funds for current software.
Up to date software, patched as soon as vendor generates fixes.
Relies upon a fast/reliable Internet service, from end-to-end.
May be committed to a term contract (i.e.: $50.00/month for two year term with fees for early termination).
As of this time, I have not looked into Adobe's Creative Cloud and do not know if there are term contracts and/or if $50.00 a month applies if you just want to use their software for a month and not intend to renew the following month.
Now, this is just what I see from the top of my head. Personally, I have little or no interest in SaaS ihn the areas of my main income. I do know that my mechanic does not rent his tools to work on my car, and I feel that I should own my own software license and have the physical application on my system(s) to accomplish work for my clients. But, as I stated early on, this is an emotional statement.
aka Hugh Johnson
I've looked into it and for us, the model does not make sense. We have four computers in one department that need to run Adobe software, mostly for using client supplied files. Internally, we don't use Adobe for original design at all because we have Corel.
Thus, we use the boxed set because it allows for installation on three computers. The fourth computer uses a previous version.
Using the Cloud model, we would have to pay $150-$200 per month. One $50 subscription per user. That makes NO sense to us because even over a single year cycle, it would add up to more than the boxed set! We will continue to purchase the boxed set.
DIGITALGRAPHIX:My main question to the users of Corel and all die hard fans of Corel is how this will effect the users and artists of Corel world?
I haven't been a die hard user of Corel Draw in many years though the last version I upgraded to was X5. I knew at that point that X5 was the end of the line for me. But yeah, I'm all over the Creative Cloud option. $50.00 a month to have access to not just the handful of program that I typically use, but ALLL of them. I can now, at my leisure look into programs that I would never have bothered to care about since there was no possibility of me buying them. For $50.00 a month, I get everything, plus Adobe services, plus updates. It's a no brainer.
Obviously, a lot of people who went with CorelDraw just because it seemed like a cheaper equivalent are going to now go with Adobe because it's the default package.
DIGITALGRAPHIX:What are the strength and weakness of cloud service?
The Cloud service at this price is all strength, no weaknesses. The previous subscription service was not happening. Like, they must be crazy. Now they've reduced the price of the whole thing to the cost of just one program from the previous subscription. LOL Adobe has seen the writing on the wall. There are a lot of upstarts out there doing interesting things. I personally began using Serif DrawPlus more and more because it truly is a wonderful little vector program for under $100.00. This move will be painful to the little guys. Adobe is Walmart and the other guys are "Johnny's Neighborhood Hardware". I was personally doing my best to not depend so heavily on Adobe because the cost to play is very high. That's how I got to using Serif DrawPlus.
DIGITALGRAPHIX:And strategically lets guess what would be Corel next move?
There next move is the same as their previous moves for the past 12 years. Not much. Look at Corel's website. Would you get the impression that CorelDraw is among their more important products. Look at CorelDraw Suite and ask the same question. Look at Photo-paint. That program has been abandoned for a solid decade. Look at the X6 update. Photo-Paint got what 1 update? And everything new in CorelDraw is copied from old Illustrator features. Corel didn't even change the name of the tool in one instance. Same tool, same name, same function. X6 by and large copied from Illustrator.
Yes, it's a tragedy that the only company that could have really given Adobe something to worry about just doesn't have what it takes to compete against Adobe. Adobe allowed a lot of others to have a toehold in the business because Adobe was so expensive. But not anymore. Still, I think a lot of people will balk at just the idea of a subscription. I personally also don't like it. I like the idea of buying something and being done with it. But this is too good to pass up. Every update cycle I have to give serious thought to whether or not I will update. For my personal use, I only updated every other update cycle but I have access to the newest releases via my job so I didn't worry about getting behind. Now I will stay current across the board. You even get access to both Mac and PC versions of all of Adobe's software.
And everything new in CorelDraw is copied from old Illustrator features.
And everything new in CorelDraw is copied from old Illustrator features.
You gotta be kidding me right?
I doubt that Illustrator will ever be the equal of CorelDraw if in fact it ever was. Adobe has neglected Illustrator in much the same way as you say Corel has neglected PhotoPaint. To each their own though. It's just another rehash of the Ford Chevy thing.
As for the Cloud Service thing - give it some time - I'm sure there will be a glitch or hidden cost of some sort.
Dan W. Armeneau
IMHO, Adobe has a major image issue right now.
They demand users that are not on the current release to upgrade when the current product cycle is ending, just so they will qualify for upgrade pricing on CS6. Then after Scott Kelly wrote an open letter explaining how unjust this practice is, they add insult to injury, by saying they will be “generously” offering there previous upgrade police until the end of the year.
Have a read for yourself.
This in itself surly doesn’t instill trust and will keep many people up at night wondering what’s next, especially if you take the time learning their products.
The market for “design professionals” is a small footprint compared to the weekend warriors like myself, and Photoshop is certainly there top seller because of this.
I purchase every other upgrade of both CorelDRAW and Photoshop, Corel still allows me this option with their new upgrade policy, but now Adobe says I need to buy every version. This is not good, and their subscription is not an option, as my costs will be even more for a small toolset addition that I like but don’t need.
Because Photoshop only has a few things I view as important that Photo-Paint lacks, I must consider if I can live without them. What does this mean for Corel, well, since Adobe has decided that the huge number of their users in my use case need to make a decision of using Photoshop at a higher price, or look at alterative options, Corel has a tremendous opportunity to increase their market share, and because I cycle upgrades between venders I may find myself purchasing every upgrade version from Corel.
IMHO, X6 is great! Its stable and the best release I have used, kudos Corel!
Now let’s see some love in Photo-Paint for X7. Specifically, better masking, like a quick select tool and the option to directly edit clip masks with the mask outline tools, although it works dam good now some improvements in the cutout lab would be nice, and integrate AfterShot as the raw processor. Anyways, not the correct thread for this, but thought I would through it out.
Lastly, I know Photo-Paint cannot compete one to one with Photoshop, but it doesn’t need to, the combination of Draw and Photo-Paint provides a powerful toolset for a similar or less price point, Corel provides a lot of value that covers a larger spectrum than just Photoshop.
Gotta love that new Xara-style interface in Illustrator CS6.
As for Serif DrawPlus. It's a great little program, very much like using CorelDRAW and it has an interesting blend of bitmap and vector tools. i wish DRAW had the same filter effects. Serif's entire suite of programs is developing fast and their own PhotoPlus program has more useful capabilities than Photo-Paint.
CorelDRAW is still my first choice, will be buying X6 soon.
DIGITALGRAPHIX:My main question to the users of Corel and all die hard fans of Corel is how this will effect the users and artists of Corel world
People that use CorelDRAW today as their main tools won't care what Adobe does, since if they've done without Adobe programs for the last 10 years, why would the next 10 be different?
DIGITALGRAPHIX:Will new artists jump to use Adobe instead of Corel?
Many young people are initially drawn to Adobe stuff, even before they touch it. A tremendous feat, marketing-wise.
I suspect Adobe products are the most stolen in the history of software. Especially by the young designers who steal music, movies, video games, anything that isn't bolted down. Adobe's new plan could be intended to simply generate more revenue somehow to end a long and constant history of piracy.
The Corel Suite is very affordable and doesn't have the limitations.
DIGITALGRAPHIX: I think this would be fun.
The model Adobe proposes looks good on paper, to their sales department. But in reality, a lot of people simply won't upgrade if any amount of money is involved. Why? Chances are very high that many designers out there have been using many versions of PS and ID on their systems, and never paid a dime along the way. Will they start now? Or stick with the last installable version they have?
MacroMonster.com • Daily Diversion Blog
This is part of a press release from here in Australia:
"Adobe Creative Cloud membership will be available to customers in 36
countries and in multiple languages. Pricing for Creative Cloud
membership for individuals is US$49.99 per month based on annual
membership and US$74.99 per month for month-to-month membership. A
special introductory offer of US$29.99 per month for CS3, CS4, CS5 and
CS5.5 individual customers is also available."
Approx $600 per install per year. My CorelDraw upgrade cost me on average $150/yr ($300 every 2/yrs)
For one year of Adobe, it will costs 4 times what it costs me for a CorelDraw upgrade.
I see no downside for Adobe. Plenty of downside for the small end user.
A small graphics shop with say 3 workstations - $1 800/yr
A larger shop with 10 workstations - $6 000/yr
And $75/mth for the tire kickers
Sorry, but nothing I have read about this has me wanting to rush out and sign up.
Software used: Wilcom ES3 Level 3 [V3.0F], CorelDrawGS X6 (64-bit) [18.104.22.1680]Computer: OS: Win7 Pro x64 SP1 | CPU: Intel i5-2500K 3.30Ghz | RAM: 8GB 1600mhz | Graphics: ASUS EAH6850 1GB | Monitor: 24" BenQ E2420HD | Tablet: Wacom Intuos4 Medium
Terremoto:You gotta be kidding me right?
Of course I'm not kidding. Visit Corel.com and look at the "what's new" section and everything they thought was worth mentioning is taken right from Illustrator. In some cases, they didn't even change the name. In other cases, it looks like they copied the way Illustrator laid it out graphically.
Start with Corel's new Color Harmony. That is a perfect rip off from Illustrator although it is more like a small subset of Illustrator's very deep implementation. But it is exactly the same and even visually looks the same. Illustrator has had that since CS3 I believe, possibly CS2.
The new Creative Shaping vector tools, all copied PRECISELY from Illustrator. Not similarly but exactly.
The new Twirl tool in CorelDraw is called..."Twirl tool" in Illustrator. It does exactly the same thing.
The new Smear tool is called "Warp" in Illustrator. It does exactly the same thing.
The new Attract tool is called "Pucker" in Illustrator. The function is identical.
The new Repel tool is called "Bloat" in Illustrator. The function is identical.
Those things are all identical copies.
Terremoto:I doubt that Illustrator will ever be the equal of CorelDraw if in fact it ever was.
Well, you can visit the Corel.com and see for yourself what I just said. If you think CorelDraw is better than Illustrator, that's fine with me. I'm only pointing out the obvious. Corel copied the crap out of Adobe with the X6 release so obviously Corel think more highly of Illustrator than you do. It's probably worth mentioning also that the 1 new feature in Photopaint is copied from Photoshop too.
Terremoto:Adobe has neglected Illustrator in much the same way as you say Corel has neglected PhotoPaint.
Back in the 90's you could have said that and it would have held plenty of water. That is ridiculous to say now. Illustrator has been steadily adding amazing features since Illustrator 8.
There are many things that CorelDraw can do that CS6 Illustrator STILL can't do. In many cases CorelDraw can accomplish the same thing with a lot less mouse clicks and hunting through cascading menus.
Try designing something big in Illustrator. Say 250" x 250" - oops, you've exceeded the limit of the artboard. What's with that? Makes things a pain in the rear in a sign shop where many of the projects exceed Illustrator's artboard limits.
Tweaking and refining bezier curves in CorelDraw is a piece of cake. Total pain in the rear with Illustrator. You'll go nuts just trying to get a hold of the nodes / control points / control handles. Want to know how I know? I've used both and I've found that I can be considerably more productive with CorelDraw.
Multiple pages in CorelDraw = nice! Juggling layers in Illustrator = nightmare.
I'm afraid, KuttyJoe, you've come to the wrong forum if bashing CorelDraw is your aim.
I could go on and on but I need to get ready for quitting time.
The Adobe cloud and the new upgrade policy is great news. The fat cat has got arrogant.It will alientate users and they will be looking at jumping ship.
There will be more competition and opportunities for other software companies to produce new products. Lets hope Corel understand this and invest in PP fully. Maybe even consider investing in Ventura.
You are right. I have created huge books in DRAW. I know how painful it is to deal with a complex book jobs in DRAW. So Corel surely needs to think about investing in Ventura. I may think of renting an Adobe software in case I get an order for another such huge and complex job. I am very unhappy with the layer management that has changed since X4. Though I agree that there are few good things introduced in it but it has made my job even worse. I still prefer X3 for jobs with complex layers and heavy text.
hywelharris:Maybe even consider investing in Ventura.
The same problem i had faced too when it is of huge books. Only it delays or lags while working with paragraphs often i fear of that struck. Afterwards pointer moves. Do not Know exactly. Moving from one paragraph frame to other is somewhat fear to me since it reads and halts. Hope it will be renovated.